Well that's dumb and doesn't make sense. Wiz: Gods. Pure Evil Boo and Innocent Boo are weaker than Pure Boo too, not just Mr. Boo, Kid Buu is the weakest from all of them if we take out the half parts (good Buu and evil Buu ). As for genki dama argument, genki only makes 1/3 of ki so even if Gohan gave out everything (doubtful) that would only be 1/3 of his power (assuming every part of ki is equal to 1/3 that is, for all we know they vary in quantity). At most, above base Super Buu. Dude, you are the one using head canon based on nothing but statements based on assumptions of characters that are dis-proven by feats. He wasn't near death in any of the situations I remember. So at the very least Kid Buu>Gohan, ye or nah, There is no way you can justify Goku & Kid Buu magically reaching Buutenks and Buuhan levels, If you claim Goku Zenkai, at best they surpassed Base Super Buu / Gotenks level, There is no way you can justify Goku & Kid Buu magically reaching Buutenks and Buuhan levels, If you claim Goku Zenkai, at best they surpassed Base Super Buu / Gotenks level. If you scale DB solely on your own interpretation of feats such as the fight apparently implying Kid Buu=Goku yet ignore how the former is blatantly superior by canon statements even from the fighters and even per Toriyama himself because it's against what you want to believe, we should probably stop arguing since we'll never come to an agreement. R1: Base janemba probably loses because buu does actually talk and may at some point insult him. And according to your own logic, it would be much more then my assumed estimate, Goku was already drained at that point and Gohan gave a fraction, And according to your own logic, it would be much more then my assumed estimate. Gotenks stronger than Goku in base and ssj, but weaker than him in ssj3 ? Headcanon and an argument from incredulity in one go, damn. Fine with people disagreeing for Buuhan but saying Base Super buu is stronger is outright dishonesty. The fact that you have to switch the subject and gloss over many of the points I make is prove of that. That's all the evidence you really need. Vegeta's monologue was mostly about praising Goku rather than anything about Buu pretty sure, maybe I'll rewatch it later to confirm. Afterwards, he wants a good challenge and remembers being promised that h… Being unable to bring himself to kill Vegeta, Goku is not able to carry it through. And ignoring the points I've made about Buutenks and Buuhan. Kid Buu's demeanor throughout the fight laughing at and mocking Goku for half the time makes me question if he was fighting at full power too. By logic of ki = life force (For Example, Tien dying in Saiyan Saga from using all of his energy for Tri-Beam), Then Gohan would be giving a fraction of his energy. The answer is evident enough using the logic that Goku is using newer forms against Black when Super Buu was SSJ3 level. thats means Gotenks needs his SSJ1 to 3 to actually beat Kid Buu , the fusion is a really masive power up , both kids are SSJ1 power and after the fusion they reach beyond adults SSJ2 power JUST in his base form , but this is still insufficient to Kid Buu , you need a normal SSJ3 power to equal Kid Buu … Boomstick: But what if we stick the two most powerful, and probably the 2 most ridiculous villains against one another, no Whis. Why did I watch this as a kid, thinking Kid Buu was his most powerful form? Gonna try and get sleep I've been up for like 5 days straight lol. And ignoring the points I've made about Buutenks and Buuhan and moving to a different one. While Kid Buu is a bit weaker than Super Buu, it still requires Goku going Super Saiyan 3 just to match. Taking advantage of this, Kid Buu goes and steps on Vegeta, and laughs while holding him hostage. In other words, we can't use Buu Saga Gohan as a measure stick for this, since Buu Saga Gohan is in another league from Movie 13 Gohan, which means Base Hirudegarn is not stronger than Super Buu just because the former kicked Gohan's ass easily, since SSJ3 … Kid Buu is like the second weakest form of Buu we ever saw stronger than only Mr. Buu (the good buu thats still around in Super). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Where even is the evidence Goku got a zenkai boost? There is no way he is stronger than a Buu that has the combined strength and powers of Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Gohan. When Majin Buu expelled his evil and became the pure-hearted Good Buu, he tried utilizing it to finish Evil Buu, but it failed and backfired causing Good Buu's downfall and the result of Super Buu. Your original premise was Kid Buu being stronger then Buuhan, But you can't even prove he is even close to Buutenks level using feats, And all of your scans are also revolved around statements and not actual feats. I feel so dumb seeing these comments now. Good Buu (Mr. Buu). Giving this to Super Buu, more raw power and somewhat sane compared to kid unga Bunga buy. Our Mr. Buu is … Why didn’t Goku just finish him off right then and there? Kid Buu wins, against current fit buu. Super Buu, Goku was scared to fight him without fusion while he was confident to fight Kid Buu 1 on 1. He still did something as reckless as immediately powering down to Base right in his face. So basically Vegito is the strongest forme of all the Z fighters, and if Goku and Vegeta were to fuse again in Super, they would be stronger than Beerus, right? ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The feat itself is what I've been disagreeing with and am saying it's is just a single fight which anyone can interpret in their own way since Buu's attitude during the fight and factors like that are questionable too. The evil mage Bibidi knew how to summon and control him and eventually used him to slaughter most of the Supreme Kais. Buuhan would causally one shot, blood lusted or not, There is no way you can justify Goku reaching that level through zenkai, Passing just regular Base Super Buu is a dramatic increase as is, And the feats do not show " Goku slightly keeping up Kid Buu", They were trading full contact blows back and forth regardless of Buu's demeanor, And it was until Goku's SS3 ran out of juice, Vegeta even had an entire monologue acknowledging Goku while they were fighting evenly. Ikr? Tien used Ki for the Tri Beam though, not Genki which is what the Spirit bomb utilizes. Ultra Buu (Buff Buu) Buuccolo. What does Goku trying to push the bomb have anything to do with how much energy it had? Except Goku isn't weaker then Kid Buu. Just be mad we have had to answer this fucking question a million times. but that by everything including in verse statements that I see no definitive reason to dismiss, Feats prove Kid Buu to be relative to Goku, If Zenkai, at best Goku could have surpassed Based Super Buu which is a massive leap on it's own, Either Buutenks or Buuhan would decimate Goku no difficulty. That's crazy, they both destroy him. Wiz: And it's our job to analyze they're weapons, armor, and skills to determi… I really don't understand the logic behind this Kid Buu wank. You know how DBZ works. Still misinterpreting what I meant? Goku’s true desire is to fight one on one yet he was scared to even engage with Super Buu. Every piece of information in the manga tells us that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. During his rampages, he absorbed the evil elements of races he eradicated and steadily became more violent and evil. The feats literally show Goku to be relative to Kid Buu, Even if you want to argue Kid Buu is slightly stronger then Goku, that still wouldn't be remotely close to Buutenks. When did I switch the subject here? Dabura notes that the version of him from this historyhas been taken care of. Goku at first gathers the energy from the Z fighters and everyone at Kami's lookout, and says it's not enough and won't be able to defeat Buu with this alone. And there is also the fact that Kid Buu could no dif Fat Buu who was previously around Goku level. Well, some people claim hard fought battles in general give Saiyans Zenkai when they are forced to adapt. I don't remember Kid buu ever being shown to be even directly bloodlusted (like how Buuhan was when he almost collapsed the Universe is something that I'd say indicates bloodlust in Buu) during the fight other than when Vegeta got up in which he was a little shook. He knows his limits and knows when to engage. It's fucking basic powerscaling. The Genki Dama has never actually worked in DB. I'll get back to you on the rest later If I remember and if I don't it was a fun discussion nonetheless so thanks for that. SSJ3 Goku couldn't use his full power against Fat Buu which is why he was struggling with him for a bit. He's Wiz, and I'm Boomstick. Plot convenience is still completely canon, this isn't so drastic to the point it can be considered PIS like Goku being scratched by a bullet despite tanking them without a scratch as a pre teen or Vegeta suffocating in space to a planet explosion in RoF despite knowing about and using barriers to survive them in canon DB Kai flashbacks, which can actually be dismissed imo unlike Kid Buu's showcased superiority to Gohan. Super Buu = Fat Buu (ENRAGED) Fat Buu. If you agree that Kid Buu can't be proven to be above Buuhan using feats, then there is no argument then. Buuhan is vastly superior to Buutenks. There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. That was mostly the fault of the funimation script. (Because giving all it, means death). Kid Buu is consistently showcased with feats, statements and implications to be superior to Super Buu with the only real contradiction being Goku barely being just barely able to fight on par with him even when he's goofing around while being stated multiples times including by himself to be inferior. Just like how they had Gohan in a beam battle with a weaker Cell. I'm the one using headcanon yet you've already claimed something that goes against the entire context of the scene twice "Gohan only gave a fraction" despite providing 0 credible reasons or posting something that would suggest so other than genki=/=ki even though genki is still showcased to be stronger and Goku explicitly asks for all the energy he can, hm. A lot of it has to do with it being said Kid Buu is more dangerous than Super Buu. Goku can kill Kid Buu, who is stronger than Super Buu. Me arguing that Kid Buu>> the characters you claim him to be inferior to in order to say he isn't the strongest Buu? Goku is stated to not be able to defeat Kid Buu even at full power in the Daizenshuu and in the manga he specifically says he has to go all out to even have a chance though, and Toriyama even goes on record to affirm that at that point in DBZ, Kid Buu was the strongest on scene. It's not really headcanon though. R2: Janemba likely cannot kill any of these buus, but kid buu can't kill janemba either. From strongest to weakest it goes exactly like this: Kid Buu (weaker by a slight margin) = Pure Evil Buu. Base GT Goku for instance tanked hits from OS while he was charging the bomb. Confused about what you mean by the third statement. Goku has formed the Super Spirit Bomb and is ready to throw it. Kid Buu (weaker by a slight margin) = Pure Evil Buu. And correct, by pure feats Buuhan at the very least is superior, but unlike you I don't dismiss credible canon statements and lore by using my own subjective interpretation of a single fight and call it a feat to contrive a contradiction that doesn't provably exist. And correct, but unlike you I don't dismiss credible canon statements and lore by using my own subjective interpretation of a single fight and call it a feat to contrive a contradiction that doesn't provably exist. How does speculation about it being plot convenience for Goku dismiss the fact that Goku blatantly stated that the SB with Gohan's energy included wouldn't be enough to take Buu out, or him wanting Gohan and Gotenks to fight Kid Buu together with them, or Gohan stating he'd merely go support them? Xeno Goku faces off against Xeno Majin Buu having now merged with the Three-Star Dark Dragon Ball in battle. Goku was already drained at that point and Gohan gave a fraction, You have yet to provide a single reason as to why Gohan would hold back in such a situation or show that he gave only a fraction however Goku's request is explicity asking for all the energy he can, and the genki =/= ki I've already talked about. Goku was probably trying to push the bomb but didn't have enough strength to overpower Buu until he was healed. The Evil Buu eats the good Majin Buu and gains his power, thus becoming Super Buu. A lot of people say Kid Buu is the strongest Buu period. "hE diDnT giVe eVeRyThInG" "dOubTfUL" you guys have nothing to support this but denial and incredulity and multiple instances suggest otherwise. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. He asked to fight Son Goten and Trunks, and after trying to stall him (during which time Super Buu unleashed the Human Extinction Attac… Likely can not kill any of these buus, but Kid vs Super, but the! 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